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  1. Sandro
    December 4, 2012 - 8:01 am

    Hi,
    Thank you for you observations about Front Squats Eric. I have a kyphotic posture since teenage, and so I never was able to try the front squat without think that it seemed too risky to me, even thinking I am able to maintain my elbows up, because the excessive tension that I identify in my upper back. I never had problems with back squats because this anyway, ( I train there are 10 years) adjusting the position of the bar. However, I always thought that it was some problem with my technique in Front Squats. Your post clear my doubts.

    I think that the same risks applies to barbell overhead press (the dumbbell version seems more friendly to kyphotic people) and to even to power clean and push press, don’t you think?

  2. Mario
    December 4, 2012 - 8:36 am

    Can I just use a trap bar if I have problems with reegular squating?

  3. Magalita
    December 4, 2012 - 8:37 am

    Hi Eric
    what an amazing post. I only wish I’d read it before starting show and go. Do you have a similar tutorial on the overhead squat?

    I am interested in the Elite Training Mentorship 30-day trial for just a buck, but I don’t see that promotion anywhere on the site. Am I blind?

    Thanks again for all your great work.

  4. Donovan
    December 4, 2012 - 8:50 am

    Great article Eric! How do I prevent the bar from slipping off my shoulder as well as keeping my elbows up as the weight increases? As my front squat weight increases, these two things seem to go real bad, and has caused some unsightly dry skin/skin peeling along the shoulder area. There is no problem with squatting that weight, the problem is with handling it. Could you please advise on what could be done? Thanks!

  5. Mike
    December 4, 2012 - 10:05 am

    Eric,
    Thanks for the very helpful post.
    I have two quick questions/comments:
    1)In the top video where you are free squatting, it looks like your bottom tucks a little beneath your hips at the very bottom of your range of motion. I have read in some places that this puts a lot of stress on your disks. I do the same thing when I go deep in a front squat. Is this a problem, or is your tuck slight enough that it doesn’t matter (or I am wrong that you are even tucking at all).
    2) I am recouperating from an AC joint injury and am not front squatting right now b/c of it. When I am fully recovered, do you think it is OK to return to front squatting or is that just too hard on the joint. Any insigts about how you handle this with your clients would be much appreciated.
    Thanks!

  6. Anjuli
    December 4, 2012 - 10:17 am

    Thanks for this article!! It is perfect timing :)
    What would be a good weight to start with? Is there a correlation between weights for Back & front squat – if you back squat X lbs then, you can, start with roughly Y lb front squat. I understand it will be relative to the person. I am currently back squatting 155 lb 5 rep. And, I am 5’1″ and not a newbie to front squat…just haven’t done them for a while. Getting mentally tired of doing back squat every workout & want to switch it up a bit. Thanks!

  7. Eric Cressey
    December 4, 2012 - 10:44 am

    Donovan,

    Start with sets of 2-3 reps at 50% of your estimated 1-rep max and make them ABSOLUTELY PERFECT technique-wise. Add a few pounds each week. In 6-8 weeks, you should have great technique.

  8. Constantine
    December 4, 2012 - 11:38 am

    I have a few thoughts about Donovan’s comment and grip in general too!

    Donovan,

    What sort of grip do you use? Have you tried all of them and identified the one which is most comfortable for you based on the criteria Eric outlined? I’m just mentioning it because when I started front squatting I blindly went with the crossed face grip because it ‘looked’ more stable without comparing it with the clean grip. I eventually got used to it but it was always pretty awkward for me. I could do it, but I would occasionally have trouble keeping my elbows up as the weight got really heavy.

    As I got into olympic lifting, I started doing cleans and I started to consider the clean grip more seriously. First of all, the clean grip actually felt way more natural for me. I liked the more symmetrical position and it just felt really stable. Another thing I learned from cleans was that I didn’t really know what a solid racking position for the front squat felt like. When I first started doing cleans the bar would hit my collar bone a lot to the point I thought I wouldn’t be able to keep cleans as part of my workouts—I thought the bar might be hitting my collar bone so much because of a big bump I have in my actual collar bone. A few months of experimentation later (and maybe after putting on some more meat in the shoulder area) I stopped hitting my collar bone doing cleans and I feel tremendously more solid with the bar racked in front squat position. I have trouble quantifying exactly what I was doing wrong–maybe the bar wasn’t far enough back on my shoulders, my elbows weren’t up enough, I wasn’t engaging shoulders/lats enough to create a proper shelf for the bar, but the clean/clean grip progressions really helped me get more comfortable with my front squats.

    Good luck!

  9. Courtney
    December 4, 2012 - 11:52 am

    Eric, at a recent seminar for S & C for football, the instructors were strict on performing lifts with toes forward. I had always used a ‘toes slightly out approach’ or what felt comfortable. I noticed your toes to be slightly out. What do you teach on foot position and how significant is foot position?

  10. Kyle Brayer
    December 4, 2012 - 11:57 am

    Well done– thanks for sending this out.

  11. Carlos Mendez Leo
    December 4, 2012 - 12:12 pm

    Great idea on devoting an article to this great exercise and very interesting thoughts about the “lats” making the big difference on the amount of weight that can be used on back squatting vs. front squatting.

  12. Jake
    December 4, 2012 - 12:16 pm

    Eric,

    As you recommended front squatting with an elevated heal, wouldn’t this also increase the shear stress on the knees as a trade off?

    How would one determine if barefoot squatting is “ok” for them? (I have very cranky knees). What are the risks that one takes by barefoot squatting if they do not have adequate mobility?

  13. Kieran
    December 4, 2012 - 1:20 pm

    I don’t agree, I think you should squat with flat shoes. Since you should drive through your heels. A shoe with a heal raise will surely add pressure to the knee joint?

  14. Eric Cressey
    December 4, 2012 - 1:21 pm

    Anjuli,

    I’d start with just the bar and gradually work your way up. You’ll find that the difference between the front and back squat is very individual, and depends a lot on how much of each variation you do.

  15. J.R. Holder
    December 4, 2012 - 4:18 pm

    Eric,

    Great article. When you wrote about contraindications, you mentioned people with symptomatic lumbar disc injuries. I occasionally suffer from the dreaded L4-L5 flare up. Would you suggest staying away from front squats altogether, or just when a person when symptoms are present? If staying away is the answer, would you recommend unilateral work as an alternative?

    Thanks!

  16. Sam
    December 4, 2012 - 6:21 pm

    Eric,
    How much should you “sit back” on a front squat? Should it be strictly “sitting down” or should you initiate with a bit of a hip hinge?
    Thanks,
    Sam

  17. Donovan
    December 4, 2012 - 7:29 pm

    Hey Constantine! With regards to the grip, I actually started off with a clean grip. As the weights got heavier, I switched to the cross-face grip as my wrists started giving me problems. And then, the bar started rolling. I sometimes wonder if it is because I do not “choke” myself with the bar when setting up. With the amount of dry, scaly skin appearing around my shoulders due to the front squatting, I am wondering if I should wear thicker shirts…

  18. Chris
    December 4, 2012 - 7:56 pm

    Great article. I was wondering if somehow did have femoroacetabular impingement, what alternate exercises would you recommend for quad/glute development?

  19. Nick
    December 4, 2012 - 9:09 pm

    Hi Eric,

    Great article, and what uncanny timing because I just started front squatting again! The more I do it, the more I love it.

    I was a bit disappointed to see that the pelvis wasn’t discussed at all. Back when I was a novice lifter, I would just hyperextend the spine and throw some anterior pelvic tilt just because that’s what I thought was right. Well, ffwd past some nagging low back issues, I’ve recently begun engaging a bit of posterior pelvic tilt to engage the core better (boy, are the abs sore!) and maintain neutral spine. This obviously emphasizes how important that thoracic extension is!

    Could you discuss/comment on the proper hip/pelvic positioning for a front squat? (Which muscles to engage, which muscle oppose each other, what are some helpful coaching cues, etc.?)

    Thanks!

  20. Eric Cressey
    December 4, 2012 - 9:13 pm

    Chris,

    Most folks can handle deadlifting variations, barbell supine bridges, single-leg work, and sled pushing/pulling just fine. Really depends on how much labral involvement there is, though.

  21. Eric Cressey
    December 4, 2012 - 9:14 pm

    Sam,

    You still sit back a bit, but it’s MUCH more subtle than in back squat variations.

  22. James
    December 4, 2012 - 10:41 pm

    Nice little tip re: the two shirts – I’ve seen way too many new lifters, as well as trainers, abandon the Front Squat due to the discomfort of it. Hopefully this helps a few people pursue it for a while longer before deciding to give up on it.

  23. Drew
    December 5, 2012 - 12:35 am

    Great article on a great exercise. Do you feel aside from the hand placement and “high elbows”, that the Goblet squat (I have to give Dan John his credit) is a good lead in exercise to teaching the front squat technique? I have found that this has helped our athletes with “torso between knees” position you mention in the article. Nice job mentioning the lats as core stabilizers in the back squat. Is this because of the connection to the contralateral glute via the thoracolumbar fascia and its attachment to the t-spine?

  24. Ed C
    December 5, 2012 - 12:42 am

    Great article!
    I was wondering about the recommended heel lift. I have read and heard Charlie Weingroff speak against olympic lifting shoes for the non-competing population. Do you think front squatting with Minimus or barefoot is something we should strive for?

  25. Eric Cressey
    December 5, 2012 - 6:32 am

    Ed,

    I agree with Charlie: Olympic lifting shoes are largely for non-Olympic lifters. And, being able to squat in a pair of Minimus or barefoot is certainly a noble goal for most lifters (excluding those with structurally stiff feet/ankles). You won’t see many people who can do it, though.

  26. Eric Cressey
    December 5, 2012 - 6:34 am

    Drew,

    Yes! We use goblet squats as a regression from front squats in our teaching progression, and do them quite a bit in our younger athletes. I also like TRX overhead squats.

    Lats are very powerful in their ability to pull an athlete into a gross extension pattern, as they run all the way from the thoracolumbar fascia all the way up to the humerus – and grab the scapula and rib cage along the way.

  27. Eric Cressey
    December 5, 2012 - 6:34 am

    Thanks, James!

  28. Eric Cressey
    December 5, 2012 - 6:35 am

    Nick,

    The cue I give folks is to simply lock the rib cage to the pelvis in the standing position, and then maintain that distance between the two as you go through the squat.

  29. Eric Cressey
    December 5, 2012 - 6:37 am

    J.R.,

    That’s a tough call, as over 80% of Americans have disc bulges/herniations in spite of the fact that they are asymptomatic. If you have regular flare-ups, I probably wouldn’t be squatting. If it was me, I’d be using more axially loaded single-leg stuff (e.g., reverse lunge w/front squat grip).

  30. Eric Cressey
    December 5, 2012 - 6:38 am

    Kieran,

    I disagree. The individual will counteract the lack of ankle mobility and tendency toward anterior weight bearing with an aggressive posterior weight shift. That will move the bar further away from the axis of rotation and increase shear stress as well as the likelihood of the lifter rounding over under load.

  31. Eric Cressey
    December 5, 2012 - 6:39 am

    Jake,

    See my respopnse to Kieran.

    If you can squat barefoot in clean technique (perfect maintenance of neutral spine), then feel free.

  32. Eric Cressey
    December 5, 2012 - 6:40 am

    Hi Courtney,

    We teach about 10-20 degrees of “out-toeing.” We only use toes straight ahead for assessment purposes. There really isn’t one correct way to do it, as everyone has individual differences in hip retroversion.

  33. Eric Cressey
    December 5, 2012 - 6:41 am

    Mike,

    Thanks for the comment. Response:

    1. Didn’t see a tuck, but I was crazy sore from a lower body training session the day before, so that might have impacted technique!

    2. I think you should be okay to do it, but I’d wait at least six months to try.

  34. Eric Cressey
    December 5, 2012 - 6:42 am

    Mario,

    Yes, trap bar deadlifts are a good alternative.

  35. Eric Cressey
    December 5, 2012 - 6:43 am

    Magalita,

    I don’t have one on the overhead squat; good idea for a future article, though!

    The promotion is right on the main page; it’s all set. Just go HERE.

  36. Eric Cressey
    December 5, 2012 - 6:43 am

    Sandro,

    Yes, I agree!

  37. Nick
    December 5, 2012 - 9:22 am

    Wow, that is really helpful. I use a similar cue for rotation thanks to Dr. McGill but never thought to apply it to flexion/extension.

    Thank you,
    Nick

  38. Andrew Zomberg
    December 5, 2012 - 8:59 pm

    Awesome post, Eric!

  39. Derrick Blanton
    December 6, 2012 - 12:41 am

    Interesting theory about the degree of lat involvement being the primary cause of back squat and front squat load discrepancies. I would have surmised that it was increased hamstring activation/leverage on the BSQ as the reason. I tend to view the FSQ as glutes and quads, but the BSQ with more forward lean really puts the hamstrings (and adductors) in a powerful position to extend the hips.

    Recently Jim Wendler in his “Virtual Squat Seminar” stated that he does not personally believe in pulling the bar down across the back, and conversely, actually pushes UP on the bar when he squats to avoid “dissipation”, which I took to mean CNS confusion, or mixed signals…i.e. pulling down while trying to go up. In fairness, even if you are pushing up on the bar, the lats are still highly activated isometrically.

    Anyway, I’m a long time “bend the bar over the back” squatter, but I tried it Wendler’s way, and I have to say I like it. Different cues work for different folks, that’s for sure.

    Great article, EC.

  40. Dan Pope
    December 28, 2012 - 9:30 am

    Great discussion. I wonder if all of the popularity of this article is coming from dare I say it, crossfit…

    I think one overlooked aspect of the front squat is that it takes a ton of shoulder external rotation to get into a good front rack position (not just wrist flexibility). Lots of front squatting(along with lots of cleans) can be irritating on the shoulders.

  41. Derrick Blanton
    December 30, 2012 - 2:27 am

    To Dan, #40. Well, you could always take the “no hands” approach. Elbows and wrists removed from the equation altogether; excessive shoulder rotation eliminated.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoQgCpEmMK0

    Side benefit: This is a highly effective way to train T-spine extension, as well as core and hip stability. You will quickly dump the bar if these variables are lacking!

    Just for the record, I do think the clean grip is worth achieving. It’s the gold standard in my view.

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