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  1. Craig MacDonald
    February 11, 2013 • 12:54 pm

    Awesome advice, I think postural corrections sometimes get out of hand contributing to rhomboid dominance. Really liking the quick and informative videos lately!

  2. Tom McDonald
    February 11, 2013 • 1:10 pm

    Hi, great post. How do we prevent the scaps from moving before the socket, should we limit the range until this is attainable ?

  3. Yudy
    February 11, 2013 • 1:29 pm

    I found this video very interesting, because I have always heard the cue with any type of rowing variation or face pull, to squeeze shoulder blades as tight as possible. I have also heard the cue with rows where trainers recommend thinking about pulling the elbows together behind your body.

    Based on this band pullapart video, it looks to me like there actually is such a thing as excessive retraction. So it seems like with rows, you would recommend just a comfortable amount of retraction, while focusing on a stable scapula and posterior tilt? Rather than focusing on squeezing as tight as possible? Thanks, and great stuff as always!

  4. david brewer
    February 11, 2013 • 1:35 pm

    As usual, great stuff. Thank you!

  5. Justin Patterson
    February 11, 2013 • 2:24 pm

    Is that my buddy mike Salerno?

  6. Mike
    February 11, 2013 • 2:47 pm

    What do you recommend for a good distance between the hands?

  7. chris
    February 11, 2013 • 3:20 pm

    what about being upper trap dominant in this movement? I see a lot of clients who elevate the scapula and almost shrug this movement through end range. We decrease the weight or tension of the band, but how often do you see this problem?

  8. Mike
    February 11, 2013 • 3:26 pm

    Great tips, thanks EC! I had no clue that I’ve been doing them badly forever (too much focus on pinching shoulders together). Let there be light…

  9. Casey
    February 11, 2013 • 3:42 pm

    Mike Reinold posted a similar exercise except you keep a 90 degree angle at the elbow and states that he wouldn’t recommend trying to keep your forearms parallel to the ground

    http://www.mikereinold.com/2011/04/the-shoulder-w-exercise.html

    Thoughts?

  10. Mike
    February 11, 2013 • 3:51 pm

    Hi Eric,

    What about hand grip?

    Supinated vs. pronated?

    Thanks,

    Mike

  11. Brian Seelos
    February 11, 2013 • 4:01 pm

    The first cue is awesome. Too many people extend the spine to execute the pull-apart, probably because the band is too tight. They should go down to a lighter band and get the motion first. Thanks Eric.

  12. Daniel
    February 11, 2013 • 5:42 pm

    good video, What hand postition do you like on these. Supinated or pronated? Also do you prescribe a tempo for these exercises?
    Thanks

  13. Eric Cressey
    February 11, 2013 • 7:10 pm

    Both pronated and supinated are good options, guys. I’d say that we use pronated more often, though.

  14. Eric Cressey
    February 11, 2013 • 7:12 pm

    Mike,

    Some people may still need a bit of the “pinch” cue if they’re in a lot of anterior tilt/protraction. Different cues for different folks!

  15. Eric Cressey
    February 11, 2013 • 7:12 pm

    Mike,

    It depends on the thickness of the band and the strength of the athlete.

  16. Eric Cressey
    February 11, 2013 • 7:13 pm

    Mike Sirani, Justin!

  17. Eric Cressey
    February 11, 2013 • 7:21 pm

    Chris,

    For those folks, you’ll want to cue a bit of posterior tilt first to get them to neutral. They’ll need a little bit of upper trap to upwardly rotate to 90 degrees of abduction, but you’d just coach them away from using too much. The bigger take-home from this point is to not aggressively pull into retraction/adduction until you’ve used up humeral motion to get to neutral.

  18. Eric Cressey
    February 11, 2013 • 7:22 pm

    Tom,

    It’s actually pretty simple: “block” the scaps and then allow the humerus to move.

  19. Dave
    February 11, 2013 • 7:33 pm

    Thanks for teaching. Just got better at what I do.

  20. James Cipriani
    February 11, 2013 • 7:53 pm

    Great tip. I like doing my “scap slides” supine on the foam roller for very similar reasons.

  21. Sherlander
    February 11, 2013 • 8:15 pm

    Thanks for this Eric. I hate that I’ve formed bad habits with this movement, but this will help a lot!

  22. Doug
    February 11, 2013 • 8:50 pm

    Great points Eric.
    I definitely have been guilty of too much scapular retraction. I will work on this.

    Thanks

  23. Steve.B
    February 11, 2013 • 9:35 pm

    Thanks Eric some great points and common error’s I agree with the postural loading progression in supine I will then take clients into tall kneeling or 1/2 kneeling pull aparts before standing.

  24. Derrick Blanton
    February 11, 2013 • 9:46 pm

    Eric, could you please elaborate on the harmful consequences of retracting the scapula before the humerus goes into hyperextension?

    I know that NOT retracting the scaps while the humerus goes into hyperextension is an anterior glide risk, but I’m having a hard time teasing out the risk of “pre-retracting” the scaps.

    When you have a kyphotic and protracted client, could this be akin to resetting the scaps to neutral before humeral extension?

    Thanks, Eric. DB

  25. Jeremy
    February 12, 2013 • 12:48 am

    I thought i had this one in the bag haha. does the idea of proximal to distal firing not hold true in this case? or is it just the degree to which certain muscles are recruited? either way great post EC, much appreciated.

  26. abdi
    February 12, 2013 • 1:14 am

    Band pull-aparts is still inferior to a good dose of external rotation + rows right ? Because I never had to do pull-aparts in show & go.

  27. abdi
    February 12, 2013 • 1:41 am

    Eric you think no money > pull-aparts thats why there is none in show & go?

  28. Caleb
    February 12, 2013 • 2:39 am

    Eric, can you explain how this differs from cuing somebody to set their scapulae before initiating a cable row or pull-up?

  29. Eric Cressey
    February 12, 2013 • 7:12 am

    Caleb,

    I don’t really cue folks to “set the scapula” before rowing aside from bringing them to neutral. I don’t agree with retracting and then bringing the arm along for the ride “separately.” It’s about synchronization.

  30. Eric Cressey
    February 12, 2013 • 7:13 am

    Abdi,

    I like no money more because it trains true external rotation instead of just horizontal abduction. Still should be coached similarly, though.

  31. Eric Cressey
    February 12, 2013 • 7:21 am

    Derrick,

    If you’re dealing with a client who is kyphotic and protracted, retract away; it won’t really apply to them. However, if you’re starting with someone who is reasonably neutral or actually more retracted/adducted, it can create a timing issue.

  32. Eric Cressey
    February 12, 2013 • 7:22 am

    Jeremy,

    You’re still “firing” proximally; you just are using those peri-scapular muscles to stabilize in a position of some upward rotation, not create movement.

  33. Drew
    February 12, 2013 • 12:37 pm

    EC,
    I have seen people who when pronated, externally rotate the humerus while pulling apart. Is this a faulty substitution? Do you see a pro/con for performing them in external rotation?

  34. Personal trainer Oakville
    February 12, 2013 • 2:18 pm

    Good video. Scapula retraction is a main focus for a lot of exercises so its good to have info like this shedding some light on what other areas might be put on the backburner. Always give me something to think about every post. Thanks

  35. Caleb
    February 12, 2013 • 9:18 pm

    i missed Derek’s question. your answer to his question pretty much answered my questions. thanks EC for typing out a response regardless!

  36. Eric Cressey
    February 13, 2013 • 6:45 am

    Drew,

    I think it’s fine to do them in ER; we do it on no money drills, right?

  37. Eric Cressey
    February 13, 2013 • 6:46 am

    Yudy,

    Correct on all accounts. Remember that it depends on the starting position. Some people will actually be excessively retracted, while others will be protracted. You cue things based on their resting posture.

  38. Derek
    February 13, 2013 • 3:12 pm

    As always Eric, thanks for the Great advice!


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